Why meditation? - Some more words from JK

Meditation - There are multiple defintions for the same. Is it something that has to be done closing the eyes?  We need to meditate up on something? is there techniques of meditation? Anybody can become a meditator? What is the difference between a meditation and being focused on something?
There are lots of explanation for Meditation, but I just love the way JK & Osho explains it.
It's just to be plain without thinking something, something includes the thought not to think about something. When one is in meditataion , they just accept what they see and what they hear instead of manipulating it. We hear a bird's sound , we immediately think what bird will it be, what would be it's color, how big will it be, The entire knolwedge base comes into picture like an encylopedia. Some people go too far till they fetch it's scientifc biological name. All these are manipulations of the mind. When a true meditator like JK or Osho hears the same sound, They just hear it and let their heart dance for it.

JK on meditation



Meditation is to find out whether the brain, with all its activities, all its experiences, can be absolutely quiet. Not forced, because the moment you force, there is duality. The entity that says, “I would like to have marvellous experiences, therefore I must force my brain to be quiet” will never do it. But if you begin to inquire, observe, listen to all movements of thought, its conditioning, its pursuits, its fears, its pleasures, watch how the brain operates, then you will see that the brain becomes extraordinarily quiet; that quietness is not sleep but it is tremendously active and therefore quiet. A big dynamo that is working perfectly hardly makes a sound; it is only when there is friction that there is noise. Meditations, p 4

Meditation is something quite extraordinary, if it goes on, not at odd moments, but timelessly, if you are aware when you get into the bus, or the car, or when you are talking to someone; aware of what you are doing, feeling, thinking; aware of how thought operates according to pleasure and pain, not condemning any activity of thought but just listening to the noise of thought. Out of that you really have an extraordinary mind that is tremendously alive. Being quiet, being silent, a new thing can take place. The newness is not recognizable. This sublime thing, whatever name you give it doesn’t matter, is not something that is put together by thought, and therefore it is the whole of creation. The Collected Works vol XVI, p 148

-JK

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Veg or Non-Veg ? Does it matter? (Osho on Vegetarianism)

It's been a constant tussle inside me about switching to veg & non veg foods. At the end, I just resorted to my wishes of my self. If I feel like eating chicken, and without which if I'm able to feel a strong resistance in me, I'm having of dish of chicken roast and moving on. But I observed in me, when I'm sticking to me regular krya routines, I feel less want in me for non veg. it's almost NIL, and I feel the temptation in me for non veg food disappears when I'm doing my yogic practice in a routine. Also, staying in the ashram also has a good impact in your mind about food. For sure, it's quite apparent to me my body is not suitable for taking in non-veg food. I can hear what my body says after I've pushed in a plate of non-veg food. but the temper of the tongue for spice food keeps chasing me. To sum up, I take a bit of non veg food occasionally, like how most people take alcohol.


Message from the master,Osho:

Eating anything will not make much difference. You can be a vegetarian and cruel to the extreme, and violent. you can be a non-vegetarian and kind and loving. Food will not make much difference.
In India there are communities who have lived totally with vegetarian food. many Brahmins have lived totally with vegetarian food. They are non-violent but they are not spiritual.
And Jains are the most materialistic community in India, the most attracted by possessions, accumulation. that's why they have become the wealthiest. They are the Jews in India. But a non-vegetarian world in the West is not in any way different from these vegetarian communities in India.

Rather, on the contrary, a very important thing has to be remembered: if you are violent and your food is vegetarian, then your violence will have to find some other way of expression. It is natural, because eating non-vegetarian food gives release to your violence.

So if you know some hunters you may have come to realize that hunters are the most loving people. Their whole violence is released in hunting, they are most friendly, loving. But a businessman vegetarian has no way for his violence to be released so his whole violence becomes a search for wealth and power. it becomes narrowed down.

But it happens the other way round. It happened to Mahavira. Mahavira came from a warrior family, he was a Kshatriya. Violence must have been easy for him, and then a deep meditative effort, a twelve-year-long silence changed his inner essence. When the essence changed the expression changed. when the innermost being changed, his character changed. But that character change was not basic, it was a consequence. So I say to you, if you become more meditative you will become more and more vegetarian automatically. You need not bother about it.

And only if this happens, that through meditation vegetarian food comes into you not through mind manipulation, it is good.But manipulating by the mind, argument, reasoning that vegetarian food is good, that it will help you to gain spirituality, is not going to help anything. Your clothes, your food, your habits of life, your style, everything will change. but this change is not basic. The basic change is going to be in you and then everything else follows.

-Osho

And do you know? Osho was not against eating eggs? In fact he mocked at people who blindly avoided eggs. He never counts eggs as unaesthetic. True disciples, who love Osho from the heart, would certainly enjoy his inconsistent talks :)

The same topic, the message I understood from Sadhguru:


Every food has it's own vibes. A vegetable or fruit that was left open on a plat, when gets rotten, how bad does it smell? and when the same plate is filled with meat and left to get rotten, how does it smell? same way,  the body feels meat is a bit undesirable. Why does the guru says meat is meant for Animals and not human?
First is the shape of the teeth, humans have a teeth structure of herbivorous. We are not sabers! Next is the digestive track, which is quite loooong for the humans. and quite short for the animals. When animals chew in meat, it comes out of it's body quite sooner than from a human digestive track. Which is why animals are happy eating non veg. When we eat, the non-veg food take much loonger to digest than any other vegetarian foods. The meat stays much longer in the digestive system of human, hence the "rotteness" of it gets exhibited inside.

Btw, whenever we talk about non-veg & veg, people who eat meet, just point out to Ramakrishna, who ate fishes! it's an unacceptable example!


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Budhha be misunderstood?

Wonderful speech by Osho.

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Why life is miserable ?

Let me first say my own opinion

I'm always puzzled by a question. Will there be someone in this world who doesn't suffer out of anything? When I was a kid, whenever I'm struck with some challenges, I look at the people walking on the street, and funnily I wish to choose their life! if there was an option! There's a favorite saying, "Always the other side of the river looks greener & better". Most of us thinks someone else life is better than ours in someway. It's a chain! everybody thinks the same.

When I was a kid, and when I go to schools without completing my homeworks, I envy the cab drivers who drops me at the schools. I look at him and think, what a life! No home works, No pressure, No mysery!. I was never able to guess what might be running in his own mind. Now, After I grew up, I understand what might be running on people minds. A cabie looking at the school kids would only think, "Those trouble free, enjoyable times, might never come again in our life again." Unless you are awake and conscious, every little challenge in life would become a mysery and suffering. You chose the blue pill! You gotta suffer!. The realised ones are out of these. Just find what JK says about it.

Why life is so hard and miserable? : JK explains

There are so many varieties and complications and degrees of suffering that makes our lives miserable. We all know that. You know it very well, and we carry this burden right through life, practically from the moment we are born until the moment we collapse into the grave.If we say that it is inevitable, then there is no answer; if you accept it, then you have stopped inquiring into it. You have closed the door to further inquiry; if you escape from it, you have also closed the door. You may escape into man or woman, into drink, amusement, into various forms of power, position, prestige, and the internal chatter of nothingness. Then your escapes become all-important; the objects to which you fly assume colossal importance. So you have shut the door on sorrow also, and that is what most of us do.

Now, can we stop escape of every kind and come back to suffering? That means not seeking a solution for suffering. There is physical suffering-a toothache, stomachache, an operation, accidents, various forms of physical sufferings which have their own answer. There is also the fear of future pain, which would cause suffering. Suffering is closely related to fear and, and without comprehension of these two major factors in life, we shall never comprehend what it is to be compassionate, to love. So a mind that is concerned with the comprehension of what is compassion, love, and all the rest of it must surely understand what is fear and what is sorrow.

Meditation is the ending of sorrow, the ending of thought which breeds fear and sorrow—the fear and sorrow in daily life, when you are married, when you go to business. In business you must use your technological knowledge, but when that knowledge is used for psychological purposes—to become more powerful, occupy a position that gives you prestige, honour, fame—it breeds only antagonism, hatred; such a mind can never possibly understand what truth is. Meditation is the understanding of the way of life, it is the understanding of sorrow and fear—and going beyond them.Talks & Dialogues Saanen 1968, p 94

J Krishnamurthi.

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What is Meditation ? - Doing it the right way.

When there is the activity of the self, meditation is not possible. This is very important to understand, not verbally but actually. Meditation is a process of emptying the mind of all the activity of the self, of all the activity of the “me”. If you do not understand the activity of the self, then your meditation only leads to illusion, your meditation then only leads to self-deception, your meditation then will only lead to further distortion. So to understand what meditation is, you must understand the activity of the self.The self has had a thousand worldly, sensuous, or intellectual experiences, but it is bored with them because they have no meaning. The desire to have wider, more expansive, transcendental experiences is part of
Meditation is something quite extraordinary, if it goes on, not at odd moments, but timelessly, if you are aware when you get into the bus, or the car, or when you are talking to someone; aware of what you are doing, feeling, thinking; aware of how thought operates according to pleasure and pain, not condemning any activity of thought but just listening to the noise of thought. Out of that you really have an extraordinary mind that is tremendously alive. Being quiet, being silent, a new thing can take place. The newness is not recognizable. This sublime thing, whatever name you give it doesn’t matter, is not something that is put together by thought, and therefore it is the whole of creation. The Collected Works vol XVI, p 148
the “me”.This Light in Oneself, p 72

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Nuking the control room - How to arrest thoughts?

To end thought I have first to go into the mechanism of thinking. I have to understand thought completely, deep down in me. I have to examine every thought, without letting one thought escape without being fully understood, so that the brain, the mind, the whole being becomes very attentive. The moment I pursue every thought to the root, to the end completely, I will see that thought ends by itself. I do not have to do anything about it because thought is memory. Memory is the mark of experience; and as long as experience is not fully, completely, totally understood, it leaves a mark. The moment I have experienced completely, the experience leaves no mark. So if we go into every thought and see where the mark is and remain with that mark as a fact—then that fact will open and that fact will end that particular process of thinking, so that every thought, every feeling is understood.
Krishnamurti on Education, pp 119-120
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Friendliness.

First meditate, be blissful, then much love will happen of its own accord.
Then being with others is beautiful and being alone is also beautiful.
Then it is simple, too. You dont depend on others and you dont make others dependent on you.
Then it is always a friendship, a friendliness. It never becomes a relationship, it is always a relatedness. You relate, but you dont create a marriage.
Marriage is out of fear, relatedness is out of love.

You relate; as long as things are moving beautifully, you share.
And if you see that the moment has come to depart because your paths separate at this crossroad, you say good-bye with great gratitude for all that the other has been to you, for all the joys and all the pleasures and all the beautiful moments that you have shared with the other.
With no misery, with no pain, you simply separate.

-Osho

Zazen

Zen asks you to come out of the head and go to the basic source.... It is not that Zen is not aware of the uses of energy in the head, but if all the energy is used in the head, you will never become aware of your eternity.... You will never know as an experience what it is to be one with the whole. When the energy is just at the center, pulsating, when it is not moving anywhere, neither in the head nor in the heart, but it is at the very source from where the heart takes it, the head takes it, pulsating at the very source--that is the very meaning of Zazen. Zazen means just sitting at the very source, not moving anywhere, a tremendous force arises, a transformation of energy into light and love, into greater life, into compassion, into creativity. It can take many forms. But first you have to learn how to be at the source. Then the source will decide where your potential is. You can relax at the source, and it will take you to your very potential.

-Osho.

How do we move beyond our senses?

Can you do anything to go beyond the senses? Please look at it. Is there something that you know that you can do to go beyond the senses? Yoga and spirituality is about seeing how to transcend all limitations. If you want to transcend your limitations the first basis that you need to set is, stop fooling around with ideas, ideologies and beliefs. Just see: what I know, I know, and what I do not know, I do not know. As you go deeper into this, you will see how little you truly know about yourself. When you come to a big "I don't know," knowing is just the next step, just one moment. The only reason the spiritual process seems to be such a struggle is you are not willing let go of your conclusions. Otherwise, there is really no struggle, it's very simple. What you call as truth, peace, enlightenment, is something that is already there within you. It is not somewhere else to be attained. Yoga is just a device to help you see that it is there, that's all.

How can we know the ultimate peace within?

Who can deny what is within you? Only yourself. So, that aspect of you, what you call as "myself," is just a bundle of conclusions that you have made about life. These conclusions as to what's right, what's wrong, what's good, what's not good, will not allow you to move. You are the only barrier. If you remove yourself, then to be spiritual, to be peaceful is natural. It is just getting back home. What you are referring to as myself is just your mind and body right now. You have to use your body and mind, but you don't have to be identified with them. To be spiritual means to become free from the body and mind heaps that you have gathered. Once you have broken loose from these two, you're back home. It's very simple. If you become willing, it is one moment. Willingness means you are willing to drop all the conclusions that you have made. You're willing to be here as your creator intended you to be. Simply life

What is the root of most conflict among people today?

The moment you start believing in things that are not a living experience for you, you are natural conflict. Now, what is the intelligence in moving into belief? The only thing is your ego feels comfortable "I know" is the only way you can make the ego grow, isn't it? "I don't know" is a big loss for the ego. When you say, "I don't know," you are incapable of conflict, you are a very humble and wonderful human being. See, you may be a very peaceful, nice human being today, but when somebody challenges your belief tomorrow, anger will arise within you, because you are so deeply identified with what you believe in. The moment you are identified, your identity is threatened with the belief system. Your survival instinct takes over and you will fight. We are going on talking about bringing peace to the world. I was a delegate in the United Nations for the Millennium World Peace Summit where we talked about bringing harmony and peace among religions. Why the need for tolerance and forgiveness? You think somebody's wrong, you're right. Now you think he has to be saved. He thinks you have to be saved. Both of you believe things that you do not know really. If you realize "I don't know," you cannot fight. Without being capable of bringing peace into your own being, there is no way you are going to be capable of bringing peace to the world. Isn't it so?

Silence

The "Eternal Messages", the words from "God" are ever flowing and trying to contact you i.e. your "Atman" within. If you can tune in .. You establish the contact. Outwardly you appear to the World as an introvert, keeping silence all the time.

Actually, you (your "Atman" within) is talking to "God, the Creator of the Universe" all the time. This truth can only be experienced by the "Self Realized". You who wants to realize "self" at the earliest and desire talking to "God" must solve the riddle ... "Who Am I" .
Once the truth dawns upon you by the "Grace of God", You are initiated by "God" itself by full awakening of your "Kundalini". This is an irreversible process. Once you are "enlightened", you can not revert back to your daily chores as in the past .. From now on every phenomenon happening in this World has relative importance for you.

- Ramana

What is the purpose of life in this world? Where am I heading?

So, why does this question arise in your mind? Suppose you are extremely blissful or ecstatic, would you then think about the purpose of this life? No. Somewhere this question troubles you because what you are doing doesn't mean anything to you at a certain level. And therefore the question - 'what is the purpose of life?'
Now, let us say you are eating a mango and you taste only the peel. Halfway down the peel you will ask the question - 'what is the purpose of eating this mango?' If you had known the sweetness of the mango such questions wouldn't come up. Aren't you're children asking, 'why should I drink milk?' That's because they don't like it. You give them chocolate. Will they then ask 'why should I eat chocolate?' It doesn't matter why they will just eat it.

These questions are bound to crop up when you're just eating the peel of the fruit, but had the peel been very bitter then by now all of you would have been enlightened. The problem with the peel is because of its association with the fruit it has imbibed a few spots of sweetness. Most people think that they have to somehow extract fruit juice out of the peel. That's the effort that is going on. That's the great effort that is going on worldwide. Somehow everyone wants to extract juice out of the peel.
Somewhere nature trusted your intelligence. If you put a drop of honey here and put the honey jar up there, the ants will come here, taste the honey and go straight up there to the jar. Nature trusted your intelligence. It overestimated you.
So if you want to truly understand what the purpose of life is don't cook up philosophies. The purpose of life is to reach God, the purpose of life is to go to Heaven; the purpose of life is to this or that.' Life is a purpose unto itself. You don't need another purpose to it. Only when you have not realised the immensity of what life is the question of finding a meaning or a purpose to life arises. If you taste the fruit within you, you will not ask these questions. It is for this reason we have been teaching Isha Yoga to people for the past decade and half - to give people methods to taste the fruit within themselves.

Experiences - Move on!

A man who is spiritual has tremendous experiences but he never accumulates them. Once they have happened he forgets about them. He is finished with them and he moves away from them. He is always available for the new, he never carries the old.
If you don't carry the old you will find life absolutely new at each step. Life is new, only the mind is old; and if you look through the mind, life also looks like a repetition, a bore.
Mind means your past, accumulated experiences, knowledge and everything. Mind means that through which you have passed, but which you are still hanging on to. Mind is a hangover, dust from the past covering your mirror-like consciousness. Then when you look through it everything becomes distorted.
Purity simply means an uncontaminated state of mind, where only your consciousness is and nothing else. Nothing else really enters into your consciousness, but if you hanker to possess, that hankering contaminates you. If you don't want to possess anything, you become fearless. Then even death is a beautiful experience.

- Osho

Myself.

Sadhguru: Beyond this identity you call as "myself" is a certain amount of energy functioning in a certain way. What kind of expression this energy finds is what your life is right now. This energy, this moment, can become love, joy, misery, or hatred. This same energy can become ecstasy. Yes? At different points in your life you have felt this same energy finding expression in different ways. How did your energy find expression in different ways? Whichever way the eternal situations were, accordingly, you reacted to that. Or in other words, your life energies are in deep enslavement to the external situation.As long as your life energies are in deep enslavement with the outside, you are bound to live like an accidental person. If situations around you are conducive, you are loving. If situations around you are boiling, you also boil.

The basic aspect of being human means that everything in you should happen by choice not by compulsion. If you had a choice as to what kind of expression this energy should find right now what expression would you offer it? Love and joy- there’s no question about it. Nobody needs to teach you to choose to be joyous. That life has already chosen. Finding a conscious expression to your life energies is the important aspect of being here as a human being.